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Colorful Language and a Childhood Backstory

I had a complicated "making it" journey, which included growing up in a family of five kids. This podcast is much different from the others. There is plenty of profanity, so if you listen, please be away from little ears. That said, there is a raw and real quality to it that I kind of love.

This podcast is longer (~1 hour). It's a sit-down with my big brother and one of the only people who has walked with me throughout life. We talk about all kinds of things, from mask-wearing to our love of Spam, our family, to surviving trauma, and--of course--the book. He does this for a living, and you'll find it's far more casual than the others.

If you're curious, take a listen here.

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